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Phone Game Is Tough

I used to always think my phone game was on point.   I mean, all I did in the evenings in high school was spend all night on the phone with chicks.   Even in college, I did a lot of talking on the phone with chicks.

Get off the phone with one, then call up another one…

But, it does provide it’s difficulties.

I’ve never been one to leave messages, and I still don’t like to for some reason.  I’ve gone back and forth on that this year, with calling chicks and leaving simple voicemails like the one found in Bang, to leaving no messages to just texting chicks instead.

Honestly, I still don’t know which way works out best…  it’s starting to look like it’s the texting.

Texting has the highest chance of a response (probably because it takes less effort on the girl’s part).

But, I’ve always been partial to talking on the phone

So, I still generally call a chick after I get her number.  Usually I call them right when I get their number, so they can have mine as well.  Then, I’ll call them a couple of days later to re-engage.  Some of them answer or call right back and every thing is fine.  The problem here is, when they don’t answer or call back…. then, what should I do next?   Text them in a couple of days or something?

And, then, half the time when I do get a chick on the phone, they’ve got friends talking around them, or a TV or radio blaring in the background that I can’t even understand half the shit they’re saying when they’re trying to hold a conversation with me.  It really makes phone game tough when you’re not sure you have the chick’s full attention AND when you can’t even hear the shit she says and you have to ask her to repeat herself.

That shit makes me not want to call girls very much anymore.

I’m starting to prefer texting…. only texting has it’s own problems.  It’s easy to make short one-liners and quips here and there, but it’s not the preferred method for really keeping a conversation going, especially when it takes each person 10-30 minutes to respond to each message.  And, when you’re trying to keep messages fairly short, it doesn’t leave a lot of room to have multiple conversation threads.

Sometimes, I’ll mean to respond to a chick, but then I’ll forget about it and a few hours will pass by.  A lot of times if you respond then, the girl won’t respond back (almost like she’s trying to punish me by taking so long to respond), so lately, if it’s been awhile since her last text and I forgot to respond, I’ll just leave it at that, and hit her up a few days later.

This is what I hate about texting…. everything drags out…

I mean, look at the text message tease I ran the other week.  I originally texted her a 2:45.  By the time we were talking about her coming over she was making excuses because it was late, it was “already 4:30″.  It took almost 2 hours to have a back and forth conversation that would take 2 minutes to have in person.  Seriously.

I guess all of this is just a test of my patience.  And, I don’t really have any.  I tend to want shit to happen right now.

Playing this long, drawn out over time game is tough to me.   But, I guess it’s necessary.

A lot has been said on all of the game blogs about mass texting lately.  So, I’m really working on organizing my phonebook in my phone and getting  a whole bunch of categories down.  I’ve always been a mass texter to some extent.  I always tend to text at least 2 or 3 chicks at once, and even when I go out downtown at night, I usually mass text all my wings to see who’s down to go.

So, now I’m going to have a main category for chicks, with the top 5 or 10 prospects I’m working on right now.

Then, I’m going to have chicks separated out in different categories for what city they live in (since I’m moving cities and a lot of my numbers live in different cities as well), and then also have categories for what month I met them.  That way I can play the text them 3 month later game and in September, I can just mass text my June numbers and see who responds.

I feel like this is where I need to put a lot of my focus now – on working my prospects.  It’s one thing to go to a bar, open a chick and wind up with her phone number – something I was never good at before.  I mean, before this year, I hardly ever went to bars or clubs – because I hated them.  I would only talk to people I knew when I went, and so the only time I ever met girls when I was out would be if somebody I knew introduced me to them.  It happened occassionally, but not often enough to where I enjoyed going to bars or clubs.  I loved house parties in college though – but that’s another story.

Lately, this year, my whole focus has been on actually approaching girls in bars and clubs and not just being that guy that just stands against the wall with a drink in his hand.  I feel like I’ve come a long way in that aspect, as I’ve approached hundreds of girls while out and gotten a shit ton of numbers.  Let’s just say, I’ve deleted over 40 numbers this year….

But, now I feel like working those numbers needs work.

I understand a lot of them will be flakes, but where I’m at, I’m generally only seeing about 1 in 6 of them again.  Every 6 numbers I get, I’ll actually hang out with 1 of those chicks again.  The notch ratio is even worse.  If I had to calculate how many numbers I have to go through in order to get just one notch – this year it’s probably between 20 and 30.  No bullshit.

I got to work on working these numbers better…  any thoughts, tips, suggestions?

9 Responses to Phone Game Is Tough

  1. paultheking August 6, 2010 at 8:31 am

    haha I know exactly what you mean..

    I hate calling girls.. Txts have replaced everything.

    It does seem drawn out and painful sometimes but thats necessary to create the tension and drama that girls crave.
    This is why the mass texting is so good.. you can have 10 different conversations even if each girl takes 30 minutes to reply..

  2. RedTie August 6, 2010 at 9:20 am

    I have to disagree that “phone game” is tough. I think what’s happening with you is a consequence of the style of game your running, your stacking too many numbers and not spending enough time with the girl when you first get her number. The more time you spend with a chick when you first get her number the less work you have to do on the phone to bring her out. Instead of getting 7/8 numbers a night which means you barely spend 20mins with each girl instead just take 2/3 numbers and spend as much time as possible with each girl so by the time you call on the phone or text its just a matter of sorting out logistics for the date. More numbers means less time with each girl means more work
    on the phone. Fewer numbers means more time with each girl means less work on the phone, personally I’ll pick the latter every time. And as for what to do after getting a girls number, what I personally do after making sure we have each other’s number is text her at the end of the night, if we had a fun flirty convo then I’ll text something fun and flirty. If we had a comfort type convo then I’ll send something like “your a cutie, it was nice meeting you”. The last girl I went out with told me that text was what convinced her to go on a date with me. When you text after the night’s done and she responds the number’s legit you build on what you have already so when you call she’s more likely than ever to pick up your call. And I’m sure you’ve heard of “Time-bridging”, try doing this alot more aswell.

    • Willy Wonka August 6, 2010 at 1:42 pm

      RedTie :
      If we had a fun flirty convo then I’ll text something fun and flirty. If we had a comfort type convo then I’ll send something like “your a cutie, it was nice meeting you”. The last girl I went out with told me that text was what convinced her to go on a date with me.

      I’ve gone back and forth on the whole texting a girl the night you meet them thing. In your case it looks like it worked out well for you. I may need to do more of that then….

      I don’t try to get 7 or 8 numbers a night. Usually just like 1 or 2. I’ve definitely been working on trying to stay in sets as long as possible. Some sets are still pretty quick, but that’s because of logistics reasons – who she’s out with/why she’s out/etc, etc…. can’t isolate every chick and chill with them the whole night, sometimes that option just isn’t there…

  3. greendroppings August 6, 2010 at 9:36 am

    Agree with the guy above. Spend more time initially, create some comfort. When you program their number, make it unique, add an adjective next to their name like “Cindy Munchkin” if she’s short, or some other callback humor from your convo.

    You can then text her later that night/morning with the standard “nice to meet you.” She’ll probably return the text. Then you can send another non-needy humorous text a few days later. Then you call her late Sunday/Mon/Tue.

    Your phone call at this point is pretty simple. You’re saying Hello, you’re quickly mentioning something you just did that’s somewhat interesting, then you’re asking about her, then you chop it up with her for a few minutes, then the tone of the conversation will slow down, then you ask her if she has plans for the week.

    If you have the comfort and attraction built, then this should be pretty easy.

  4. culdcept August 6, 2010 at 10:06 am

    I’m not a fan of texting either because for most of my life I never had too. I also don’t like having hours of conversations that would take 2 minutes on the phone. The problem like you said is what do you do when a chick never calls you back? I think the best thing is to text in a few days. I’ve gone back and forth between calling a girl the first time and texting her the first time.

    Some girls really don’t check their call log and if she doesn’t want to respond, a text wont hurt either way.

    Roosh’s phone call strategy in Bang (also emphasized by greendroppings above) is good. I find its best to call at odd times so you have an excuse to get off the phone if necessary. Girls will try to keep you talking to try to find your flaws and an excuse to not see you. Time is your enemy.

    • Willy Wonka August 6, 2010 at 1:35 pm

      I’m finding more and more girls that just say they don’t like to talk on the phone at all and they would rather just text.

      I really think texting is the way to go now.

      Phone calls are becoming obsolete. I’m about to go practically straight text game for awhile and see how it works out…

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  7. Gorbachev August 12, 2010 at 5:43 pm

    Really, it’s too easy to make mistakes and too hard to appeal to subconscious cues on the phone.

    Just my experience.

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