So, I read Mystery Method, and then I found my copy of Bang, and looked over it again, and I decided I need to come up with more than just a canned opener, I needed some actual routines to follow the opener, because sometimes I struggle and fall into bullshit small-talk after delivering the opener, especially if my opener or my looks don’t immediately attract a chick.
So, I decided to go with Roosh’s idea from Bang of using an opener and following it with an opinion question, rather than using the opinion question as the opener like Mystery does. Both, my opener and my opinion question are very similar to one’s that are found in Bang, I just tweaked them a little bit to match me better. Then, I use what I learn about the girl in the opener and the opinion question to transition into two short-quick stories I came up with. One is a completely made up story that’s similar to a Mystery opinion opener, but I completely changed it up and made it into a story that applies to me instead. The second story is actually a very true story about the time I met OJ Simpson. I decided to go with this story, because it actually did just naturally come up once when I was talking to a chick when I was out approaching, and I think it’s a pretty funny story, and it’s also got to be original as hell, I mean what other guy hits on chicks using a story about meeting OJ Simpson?
The whole routine – the opener, opinion question, and the two stories is only about 5 minutes long when I practiced it a few times and recorded it on video by myself. I tried to leave some pauses in there for the girls to answer and talk as well, as well as spots where I can either neg or try to drop in false time constraints or something like that.
Anyway, after practicing it a few times, I decide to give it a go. I head out Thursday night with it in my arsenal. I don’t even call any wings or anything, I just want to practice this and practice being comfortable going out solo, since it’s been awhile since I have.
The first bar I go to, I walk up and order a beer, the girl next to me orders four beers. I open her situationally, and don’t use my canned routine at all. She talks to me shortly and then turns her back to me and goes back to facing her friends. Did I just get blown out?
Whatever. I move around. I go upstairs. I’m really not seeing anything to approach. Most girls are with guys, and I’m not at the point where I approach girl/guy couples – that just seems too low percentage to me, but that’s really all I see in this bar. Then, out of the corner of my eye, I notice some chick checking me out. I glance over. Maybe not, maybe she’s just looking past me. A few minutes later, she approaches me. I guess she was checking me out. Since, she approaches me, I really don’t get to run my routine on her either. I try to squeeze my opener in early in the conversation just so I can try to get to my routine to practice it, but somehow my opener just leads to a longer conversation, so I never do really get into my routine.
At some point her friend/co-worker comes up to us and starts talking to us, I talk to her to try to get her involved in the conversation and then the first girl leaves me with her friend. I didn’t expect that. Now, I’m with the other chick. I talk to her for awhile and then she asks me where I went to college, I answer and ask her the same question, she smiles and says “Rival School.” I give her a thumbs down and playfully push her away from me. She looks at me and says, “huh?” I put my hand up and wave bye-bye in her face. This gets to her I guess, “Okay, I’ll leave.” And she walks away. That’s actually not what I was going for. I was just trying to do some push/pull, I didn’t really expect her to get offended and walk off. Oh well, I finish my beer and head to another bar.
I get into another bar, and approach a 3-set of pretty latinas. I run my routine… well, some of it. It’s harder to run in the field than I thought, either that or it’s harder to tell stories to an actual 3-set in the field than I thought, especially when I don’t really know which one is my target yet, I’m just talking to all 3 of them and treating all 3 of them the same. I keep getting mixed signals from them too, first one of them is talking to me and engaging me and then she seems disinterested and a total different one of them seems interested. I get through the majority of the routine well, but I never get to the OJ Simpson story. The transition just would’ve seemed to forced. I start to lose the set, because I never actually picked a target, and I still don’t know which one out of the 3 to pick, so I just eject.
I go back to the street and approach a moving 3 set, again using my opener. They stop and we stand in the middle of the street in conversation as I go through my opener and my opinion question. This time I know which one I want as my target – the one on the right. Yet, as I go through my opener and opinion question, it’s the chick in the middle who keeps responding the most. The chick on the right is damn near silent. Why is the least attractive chick in the set talking to me the most? What the fuck is going on here? I’m not sure if my opinion question goes over with them too well, they may have thought it seemed scripted or forced, but then again, I didn’t even deliver the retort. They start to walk again, so do I, in the opposite direction with a few parting words.
After that I walk into another bar that looks like it has a lot of cute chicks and a lot of sets to open. Gold mine! I don’t open any though, I just walk through, straight to the back, because I have to take a piss. When I get out of the bathroom, suddenly I swear the ratio of the bar changed while I was taking a piss. What seemed to be a favorable ratio is now an unfavorable one and all the cute girls are now gone. I try to approach a set, but get nowhere. Then, I see the chick that I ran into three weeks in a row a couple months back, the one who gave me a fake number, walking into the bar with one of her friends. I decide to leave the bar before she sees me, I don’t feel like running into her again.
I get back out into the street and I see a group of chicks walking by with a couple of dudes in the group. The smallest chick in the group has money on her shirt like it’s her birthday. She’s tiny, she looks like she could pass for 15, I use that as somewhat of a neg opener.
“You got money on your shirt. It’s your birthday?”
“Yes.”
“How old are you today, like 15 or something?”
Before she can even respond, her whole group of friends start responding for her…. “Whoa!” ”She’s 32!!” ”That’s a grown woman, there!” Wow, I’m actually shocked that this little tiny chick is or even could be 32. I almost felt bad for calling her 15. Almost. I tell her happy birthday and try to talk to her, but her friends don’t let up now. ”You should give her some money!” ”Give her a dollar or something!” Yeah, they rattled me a bit, knocked me out of my frame, I hit them with the same lie I tell bums on the corner begging for change, “I don’t even have any cash on me.” Then, just to make the situation odder than it already is I guess, one of the chicks, who is holding one of the dude’s hands, steps forward and says to me, “You’re trying to get you some tonight, aren’t you?” Then, she acknowledges the dude who’s hand she’s holding, “I mean, I’m with my man. But, you’re trying to get you some tonight, huh?” What? Why is she asking me this while she’s holding her man’s hand? I’m totally confused. I play stupid. ”Get me some… what?” “Uh, huh.. you know.” I laugh her off and just eject. I mean, there was like 10 girls and at least two dudes in that group. That was basically a 12-set. I think I got a little overwhelmed.
Nothing much else happened. I may have approached another set or two, but I remember just getting frustrated and thinking that this being out solo shit is not near as much fun as being with a wing, or especially an entourage.
It just felt like work, instead of fun. I went home that night after last call, thinking… damn, I did not have fun tonight.
I also basically went 0/6, and I never even got through my full routine. I really only opened with it and used it twice, so two times is hardly enough field testing to see how good of routine it is or not, or if I’ve even calibrating it right yet. I think I need a lot more practice with this routine before I decide how good it is.
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Mind emailing me the modified opener? It shouldn’t bother Roosh since I already bought the book.
Don’t feel bad about the 12 set. That’s pretty high pressure and that chick was a bitch.
After she said she was with her man, but kept asking about you picking up chicks, you should have come back with an asshole line.
“Whoa, calm down there champ, I’m not into that kinky threesome stuff.”
I’ve also been modifying Roosh stuff. I take one of his openers and add a bit on the end so it leads naturally into a travel story. I used it this weekend on a mother hen and it worked great, I built some comfort, disarmed her, and got my target interested. Then when I needed to leave but wanted targets #, I called her the wrong name and her whole tone changed. Fail. I had won her over too. It was a funny change. She was clearly happy when I started giving her attention after it seemed like I was interested in her friend, then when I was about to leave and it was clear I was going for the #, she perked up more, then I called her the wrong name and it was like I just killed her cat.
Those 2 girls that approached you were your best shot.. the first one was trying to work for ya but you convinced her u were not interested so she let her friend try. When a girl approaches you.. shes working for u and gaming comes off as try hard. Judging from how you explained it.. there was too much pushing and you didn’t pull the friend in so she left?
the girl with her guy was challenging you with a “lets you and him fight and i’ll pick the stronger one”. You should have got her number. I would have said something like “Yeah. I’m tryin to get some o you” smirk and pull out ur phone and just hand it to her.
just my .02
Yeah, that’s probably exactly right. Lol. She probably felt rejected. She was probably like “that asshole doesn’t want to talk to me because I went to a rival school, what a dick” Lol. Oh well. No harm, no foul…
sometimes you have to chill at the same spot before something good happens.
I find that hard to do when I’m solo. I always want to move around and not look like some guy that’s just standing around bored or something…
the friend with the hater/boyfriend-chick…she’s in a relationship, hates that she’s settled, can’t go out and be single…so if she can’t fuck a random dude tonight, she’s making sure none of her friends can either.
Hater.
Great job! When you open a chick you are just playing the odds.
They way i look at it is: i usually get 1 number out of 10 opens. That is the average. As you build your routines, and become more confidant and at ease when opening new woman, you odds can actually improve.
You went 0 for 6 but, that just means you are that much closer to actually getting a new number.
You are doing great. Trying new material, and opening women in various settings and environments is a worthy goal in and of itself.
You keep this up, and soon you will become unstoppable.
Read some paul janka. The man gets numbers running his daily life.
You can be one of those people.
Get a number waiting for coffee, waiting for lunch, the subway, the bus, while buying groceries. Or shopping at the mall. That is the end goal.
Being able to approach an attractive woman while going about your life- this is the ultimate goal. What a great way to multitask. Running errands and pick women up at the same time- hot damn.
You have the cold approach skills most men will never have.
That really is the goal. I really would just like to be able to open girls up whenever and wherever I feel like it. Not quite there yet…
I also tried longer routines at the beginning, but they almost never worked. Having a default opener in mind is great, but only use it when there is nothing situational to use. I also realized that no matter how much I practiced, the stories/routines never flowed nicely. Girls would surprise me with a strange response or even have had a similar experience. Remember that the idea of these stories and routines is to make her have to qualify herself to you. I prefer real stories because you can speak about them naturally.
Think about the stories you want to tell and segue into them when natural. I realized its better to tell stories differently each time working off the reactions of the girl. Some die immediately and you have to be ready to forget the story and move on.
As you can see during most of your approaches, the routine just didn’t apply. You were trying to hard to fit it in. I commend you on the number of approaches though. At least you didn’t chicken out.
That was basically my whole idea with trying to come up with routines and practicing them, is basically to get to the point that I have a lot of stories built up in my head that I’m used to telling.
I’m not reading off a script, so, I’m never saying the EXACT same words every time, even if I am telling the same story. Definitely have to work of the reactions and personality of the girl a bit there for sure.
The reason why I need to come up with routines, is because I need some more stories to tell, I’ve noticed that most of the stories I tell my guy friends are the same stories I write on this blog (about me getting left a gas station, or about me calling Malaysian and then calling her friend 5 minutes later, Crush, CuteNewChick, etc.) So, these stories are the stories I’ve written down and also told countless of my friends and wings, so these are the stories that are the freshest on my mind…. but, their not the stories I want to use when trying to cold approach, open and pick up new women, lol. So, I need other stories to tell, so I have to dig deeper, write them down and practice them a bit.
My grandfather and uncle were great fucking story tellers, so surely it’s in my blood somewhere, lol. I hope.
Dr. Know It All is a good story teller, that’s why (in yesterday’s post) he mentioned he was best at “comfort”, he was telling the truth. He’s a good story teller and that’s definitely always helped him with girls.
I know you’re short on cash now and looking for a job, but you need to head to another country for even a short time. I promise even after a week you will have enough cool stories for a long time to come. Also nothing wrong with embellishing them and changing time frames.
Its kind of what you did, but it wouldn’t to sit down and write down some of the craziest things that have happened to you to create a list. Bring back some old memories and just tell them like they happened recentely.
Also, these crazy things that happen to you with chicks. Alter them a little and you’ve got a golden story. Change the gas station to guys you didn’t know to well. I don’t see anything wrong with the Malaysian story other than being careful not to making it sound too negative or bitter about girls.
for me a routine is just small talk.
people need to learn to small talk esp when you meet an attractive woman. the routines and MM just give the conversation some structure. this is also a technique used in that famous book: how to win friends and influence people.
having some canned material is what comedians, sales and PR people use. like it or not. we are always selling ourselves. this doesn’t mean you need to ask “who lies more?” but some canned material is a must. one must also be situational, improv it- if you will, at times this is necessary. as you get better you begin to improv your canned material- this is when it become “you” and you run on autopilot.
What’s the definition of “canned” material? In some sense, even a question like, “so, how do you two know each other?” is canned material, because it’s something you’ve probably asked hundreds of sets before (I know, I have..)
But, yeah.. looking back to when I did do sales, it was basically the same shit. I had a “canned opener” and then some other “canned material” I would use if the conversation went in that direction – I didn’t always use it, and I didn’t follow a script, but I had talking points to hit if I needed to. Sometimes people would just pull out their money and buy quickly and it was no need to get to certain points, sometimes people would just reject quickly and that also seemed pointless to keep going. Might as well just move on. Similar shit in pick up it seems….
Love these field reports, keep at it Wonka you doing good mayn
You’re succeeding, not failing.
You really should only be using routines that fit in with your personality and who you are. Out of all of the routines that I found in the community, I only use Strawberry Fields and Marry/Fuck/Kill every now and then. If you don’t absolutely love the routine you’r using, then you’ll come off as kind of off to women.
Also, ALWAYS pick a target. Know what you want and go for it. Even if you’re using strictly MM style game, you gotta pick a target to neg.
I like Strawberry Fields. I tend to use that one on first dates, even then I’ve only used it on like half the first dates I’ve been on.
I’ve never used Marry/Fuck/Kill, I’ve just seen that one get overused by dudes down here, that makes me not even care to use it.
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