What conservative old men like and what young women like are two different things.
That is my current dilemma.
I’m looking for a job, and my mentors/advisors are telling me to shave the facial hair. I hate having no facial hair, I look so damn young without it. I really don’t want to do it. I like my beard, at least the goatee… I mean damn, do I really have to shave all of it?
I send a couple of my platonic girl friends pictures of all the different hairstyles I’ve worn in the past year and a half. Guess which one most of them say looks the best on me?
The mohawk.
Damn. I can’t rock that right now, I’m trying to find a job.
Man, the corporate world sucks. This is why I’ve avoided it for so long.
But, I need money. I can’t even collect unemployment, because when I called them, the only wages they have a record of me even making in the past year is $300. That’s hilarious. I’ve only made $300 in the past year… total income. Wow.
I should win an award for being so broke. Apparently, I just spent my whole year’s income on a new cell phone.
My advisors/mentors also told me I should buy a new suit. I probably should. I haven’t bought a new suit since high school, and that’s the only suit I own…. and more of gangster/mob type look than a “hire me” type look.
I hate looking for jobs, but I could use some financial stability for a change. That’s something I’ve never had in my life…. EVER.
My life has always been, hit some kind of lick make a large amount and live off that for a few months, and then do it again.
It gets tough in the slow times.
I guess I should put this college degree to use.
I really don’t want a conservative haircut and no facial hair though. I dread that.
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Hilarious about the mohawk, that is so something I would have said.
The corporate world does suck. Maybe you can just shave for the interview, then grow it back? There’s nothing wrong with having clean cut facial hair. I work at the most corporate building ever (ugh) but lots of men have facial hair there. They dress appropriate, but a lot of them have nicely trimmed goatees or beards. A new suit would be a good investment. Good luck on your search.. job hunting does suck.. especially now.
Do you look young without facial hair because of fat on your face? Getting in shape could fix that up.
Interesting point. I never thought about that. I did have more fat on my face the last time I shaved it, so maybe that could’ve added to it, but I still expect to look young when I shave it.
you really can’t look the way you want unless you’re not disposable to the company, are an artist, or bartender. all you really have to do is see what everyone else is doing, then add your own twist. no need to peacock with a mohawk.
Have you tried shaving your head? I’ve rocked the skinhead and goatee + mustache look for years and I was able to weasel my way through an interview and land the job I have now. If you’re white and completely bald, having facial hair is pretty much required to avoid looking like a cancer victim.
If it does come down to the goatee or the job, I concur with Jennifer – shave it, then once you start on the job, grow it back. Having spent my post-college years couch-surfing and working a succession of shit jobs, I don’t want to ever go back there.
Perhaps it’s your gravatar, but I wasn’t expecting you to say you’re a shaved + goatee/mustache dude.
Funny, I thought the same!
If you can keep your facial hair neat enough it may be ok, but looks for picking up chicks and interviewing do clash a bit. How fast does your beard grow? Mine grows super fast, so in a week it would be full again after shaving.
Are you looking for jobs outside of where you are? Might give you a chance to try a new city. It sounds like nothing is really keeping you where you are.
Yeah, I’m definitely exploring my options.
Gotta do what you gotta do playa
While this is largely true, there is one thing conservative older men and younger women both love; men in suits.
A favorite University maneuver I used to run the odd time was to show up for my lecture group in a suit ‘because I have a job itnerview later’.
Sometimes I even daygame in a suit and the results are measurably better. A suit will like double the amount of IOIs you get.
Especially effective (since I would generally go to lecture group in anything from jeans and a T under a leather jacket like Brando or collared shirts), you will have girls feeling your fabric and preening on you like no tomorrow.
But as Solo said you gotta do what you gotta do. Your money and career are more important than the girls you’re banging.
True. I’m actually looking forward to getting a new suit and rocking it around a bit.
On another note, you should probably listen to these advisors. Be very, very careful what girls tell you looks good. They often want to mold you into something and actually don’t know what they want. Even the platonic ones.
There is a game strategy for being poor, but definitely concentrate on your career for a while. Make your notch hunting secondary. Who knows, maybe the clean formal look will get you something.
Quite true; girls, even friends, will literally salt you up on purpose so they don’t lose too much of your attention to other women…they’re a very cunning and competitive gender.
The best fashion advisers; Successful men who also get laid often, gay men.
i have the same problem. i feel like some pre-pubescent teen when i’m clean shaven. i f’ing hate it.
Second Ferdinand and Jennifer. Get the nice suit and go for some sort of conservative hair/beard combination. Once you’re in, you don’t have to be conventionally presentable. As for the nice suit, you’ll never regret having a classic suit. Update the tie, but the classic suit never goes out of style. Additionally, in our modern PC world, you’ll often find yourself interviewing with women. A classic suit can elevate you above other more motivated and more qualified candidates. Game isn’t just about getting laid.
Keep the beard short and trimmed, and rock a gray suit.
Yeah, I was definitely thinking gray suit.
I’ll probably wind up shaving the face altogether… I’ll knock the beard down to just a goatee first and check it in the mirror, but when I actually do have to go on an interview, I might give clean shaven another shot. That’s what I keep hearing from my mentors/advisors to do.
I can grow the goatee back in less than a week, so it can always come back…
I often sit on the other side of the desk and do the hiring, so I cast my vote for shave it. You can be more creative with your look once you’ve established yourself. For now, don’t worry about looking too young, concern yourself with looking confident. The right body language should be no problem for a PUA to get right.
You can wear a suit in the workplace and still look very edgy. Check out Thick as Thieves who will sew you a 60s influenced made-to-measure suit for under US$500.
Essential suits in order of purchasing priority:
1. charcoal gray
2. navy
3. pinstripe
4. lighter gray (summer weight)
5. black
6+ anything you like
I just bought two suits today… a charcoal and a navy.
Spent a fucking grip, because in addition to the suits I bought a pair of shoes, a belt, 3 ties and a couple of pocket squares.
Plus the alterations for the suits.
I’ll pick them up next week. At least I’ll have a couple of suits to rock now. It was kind of ridiculous being a 24 year old man who didn’t even own a suit.
Awesome, good luck!
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