Now, I know this isn’t entirely correct, but actually it is pretty close… from my experiences anyway….
1. Let’s say half of every girl you approach engages you in conversion… (50%)
2. Half of the girls that engage you in conversation will actually give you their number… (25%)
3. Half of the girls who give you their number will agree to meet up for a date… (12.5%)
4. Half them will flake on the date, the other half will show up… (6.25%)
5. Out of the ones you get on a date, half of them will let you kiss them… (3.125%)
6. Out of the chicks that let you kiss them on the date, half of them will bounce back to your place no problem… (1.06%)
7. Out of the chicks that wind up coming over, half of them will actually fuck… (0.503%)
So, out of 100 approaches, you only wind up fucking half a chick on the first date, lol. I guess that means it takes about 200 approaches to get an easy first date notch. Damn, that sounds like a lot, but it really isn’t that much, considering it’s not that hard to approach 10 girls in one night. Actually these number, well particularly the first two steps may actually be a bit optimistic. Basically though, the point is that does take putting in work and being good at approaching and not being scared to approach is important in this game. Also, this math (that I just made up) is only for first date notches, depending on how tight your game is, you can always get some of the other chicks between steps 2 and 7 to turn into later date notches.
I need to work harder… and tighten up my game.
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LOL these are some straight miserable numbers. Besides tightening your game, there’s other stuff you can do to better your odds. For instance, not approaching a group, and instead waiting for the one you want to peel off by herself, minimizing the chance for cockblocking. You can also select a venue that appeals to your strengths, and has girls that are looking to be approached as opposed to having a good time with all their girls. Doing things like these will lower your overall approach numbers, but also reduce the odds of a confidence-shattering massacre night after night.
I didn’t think the numbers were that miserable, if anything I thought they were a bit optimistic…
The Rookie has some good points and it does depend a little on how well you game each girl. However, overall no matter how good you are its just a numbers game. Not only will quantity increase your total amount of bangs, but quantity gives you natural confidence also. The more you do, the more you’ll get.
My take is that (from what I’ve read) that you seem to know a lot of girls. You should be upping the social proof game ante, its madd powerful.
Here are what I estimate to be my numbers, bearing in mind that I almost exclusively meet girls in the daytime;
On the average day…
1) 30% of girls give me IOIs (300/1000)
2) I’ll approach 25% of them. (75/1000)
3) I’ll get the number from 50% of them (38/1000)
4) 50% of them will take my call or respond to my text. (20/1000)
5) 50% of them will agree to a drink date. (10/1000)
6) I will get at least a kiss from 80% of them (My drink/first date game is easily the most developed of my skillset because my timing is solid, 8/1000)
7) I will get a followup from 50% of them (4/1000)
8) I will end up banging 30% of them after the followup. (1.2/1000).
1.2/300 is dismal; It’s not that I bang 1.2/300 every girl I successfully game, it’s 1.2 out of 300 total girls that I could bang, which no matter how you cut it is pretty sad.
Bear in mind though, this isn’t totally an effect of weak game, and doesn’t include things like social proof (where with even mediocre game you can have a bang rate of 25%) or university game (where tight game can easily net you a 40% rate).
I could triple or quadruple my numbers if I lowered my standards and approached every girl that checked me out, but I don’t. Standards are important to have, and the more you hold to your standards, while still putting effort in, the more quality girls you’ll get.
I’m not saying I’m above fucking a fattie or a fugly, we’ve all been there, but its not where we want to go either.
Your math seems pretty reasonable.
It’s kind of an odd situation, because I live in a college town where I went to school, but I’m no longer in school. So, I don’t know near the amount of people down here that I used to, but I do know some – but the chicks I know are either in town visiting, or grad students, or maybe a few that are working now. But, I don’t really know any of these undergrads, and that’s basically the chicks I’m meeting downtown every night. But, that goes back to, if they’re in school, they’re really around guys all the time, so their perceived amount of options is going to seem even higher, making it more random to date some dude they just met at the bar on Friday night when there’s 5 or 6 dudes they know from their social circle that want to bang them.
I really don’t feel like I know that many chicks down here.. not compared to 2-3 years ago when I was in school myself. That’s when I really knew a lot of people.
College girls may be the most promiscuous and easiest, but they are around so many guys all the time who want to bang them, they will just take the easy ones. Its probably just a tad less scary for them to bang some other random student than a random guy at a bar.
With the mix of alphas and betas on a college campus they can literally bang any type of guy they want anytime they want.
Are there place you can go that are further away from the colleges or less frequented by students?
If I lived in a college town I’d chop the campus and talk to girls and say spit some lines about how ‘I’m considering going for my Masters/Doctorate’ or ‘I’m thinking of taking (random course) because I’ve heard it was really good’.
Which brings me to my next point; let’s really not place too much faith in the intelligence of the average co-ed; if you’re swag is on they will buy even the flimsiest bullshit.
I took a full semester off in second year, and I still went to school every day to see my friends and run mack on girls. Even though they knew I wasn’t a student at that time I still got laid enough (and bonus, since I was working full time I had more money than the average college broheim).
I also want to explain on my first post; to me there are two schools of day game;
1) Go out and do cold approaches.
2) Dress fresh and upp your probability of getting looks from girls.
I definitely subscribe to the latter school. I mentioned in another post how when I day game I (mostly) only approach girls I spot checking me out. If you dress nice, groom yourself up good and walk with the right swagger, you will have girls checking you out like the newest crappy Twilight novel at the library (day game favorite). If you have even rudimentary game, getting a girl to check you out is doing half the work for you.
Going out day gaming dressed less than fly is handicapping yourself. Seriously, I get some fly shit at thrift shops that works wonders.
One of my favorite outfits; I got some light grey linen golf pants ($3 + a $12 hem job), a peach-colored collared shirt ($7, no mod), brown argyles ($18), a small but tasteful necklace with iron ringlets and balsa wood beads (free; made for me by a friend), my fly shades ($375, I don’t scrimp), my fake Gucci watch ($50, girls can’t tell the difference) and some generic black loafers that I keep shiny ($12, once more, girls can’t tell the dif).
With my hair spiked up and maybe a day’s worth of stubble I look like a rockstar.
You don’t need to break the bank to look flash.
I always like to look fly. Lol @ the fake Gucci watch. I almost feel like I need to start wearing watches again, especially with my clothes getting smaller, I feel like I need to accessorize somehow. All I got for accessories is my college class ring, which ran me $850 for the 14k gold and the 1k diamond in it.
Yeah, it definitely helps when the girl is checking you out first. Lately, most of the cute chicks I see during the day are actually working – like in retail or as a waitress or behind the counter, etc, etc. I have pulled chicks like that before, but only when I knew for sure they were showing interest. For some reason, getting rejected by them when I ask for the number seems more awkward to me, especially if it’s a place I may frequent. There really is no element to successfully opening them either, since they have to talk to you.
I have done some day game at the college campus, just stopping up there at night to grab something to eat on campus. My brother goes to school there, so I just used being up there to visit him as my excuse for being up there (even though he doesn’t live on campus and I was macking in the lobby of the dorms – but bitches don’t know that). Now, that it’s summer, I don’t know where the chicks will be though. Will still be some on campus for summer school, but summer session is a different dynamic – from my past experiences in summer school myself. Then again, there’s also freshman orientation going on all summer, so the young, new 18 year olds fresh out of HS will be up there. I used to have issues hitting on girls that much younger than me… but why? It’s legal. I need to get over that…
The only numbers I like more than 18 are 23, 22, 21, 20 and 19. My current girl (who was a short-term girlfriend a few years ago) is 21 and I’m 26, and I have been with a few 18 year olds in the past few years. They like us a little bit older, we gotta capitalize.
I got my watch at the Asian mall in the city. I’m not sure of where you live (no need to tell me, but I’ll guess somewhere in the SE USA), try to hit a Chinatown, they’ll set you up. Watches are essential. I have a Nixon Rotolog (hipster-style), the faux-Gucci (black leather strap, a little more refined), a Kenneth Cole (also leather, but its brown) and a fake Tag Heuer (haven’t worked it in a while, the metal analog watch stilo is a little too guidoish these days).
I think my daygame benefits me because I live in a fairly suburban place, which I recently moved to. I’ve been here a few months and things are finally starting to heat up, and I figure its because these girls are tired of all the local pranksters and I’m shiny and new (and not an Ed Hardy shirt, trucker hat wearing, Jaegarbomb pounding MMA obsessed fool).
During the summer lots of the girls from my school took summer courses, or stayed to help with the local festivals and music scenes.
haha we have definitely all been there
Lol.. yeah, we have, but it’s definitely not something interested in doing or pursuing…
yeah, those numbers are kinda harsh. i don’t take the number as a sign of interest or even intention on her part. her touching you, suggesting plans even doesn’t prevent flaking. girls have a lot of options, you have to at least for a time seem like the BEST option among her choices (which are a lot of fuckin’ choices) b/c she is a girl.
I think 5 is too low. The percentage should be closer to 90%.
Also, this makes it seem more bleak, but steps 1-4 happen pretty quick so you don’t waste a lot of time on it. Once you have a girl out is when you’re really putting in the time, and your chances after that point are pretty good.
True.
50% is exactly my run rate for #5 on the year so far… smh.
what college town you live in?
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